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i think boehner is pretty safe because there's not a challenger. >> if john boehner is safe at his job, that opportunidoesn't e at all relevant. isn't that right? >> i think that's right. but it's in large part because boehner could n't get his plan through the house. i could only imagine how angry they are because they put him into this bind in which he has to ne dpoegotiate with harry re. and then it also gets house democrat support. all the while, he's got an eye when he's up for reelection. house speaker boehner has shown that he's looargely, not entire, but larngly. remember, his deputies were both there with him when plan b was introduced. the logical successes aren't actually there. >> paul ryan is not the guy to watch, right? so paul ryan is the guy who has the real support of the house con sefbtives. a lot of people don't like boehner, they love paul ryan. now ryan, at the final minute, remember, he was with you for plan b. paul ryan, probably the most high profile guy, he's not running against boehner. he's not even interested. >> but robert, if the president gets this throug
i think boehner is pretty safe because there's not a challenger. >> if john boehner is safe at his job, that opportunidoesn't e at all relevant. isn't that right? >> i think that's right. but it's in large part because boehner could n't get his plan through the house. i could only imagine how angry they are because they put him into this bind in which he has to ne dpoegotiate with harry re. and then it also gets house democrat support. all the while, he's got an eye when he's up for...
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the important though, i think, is mcconnell and the senate is important, but ultimately john boehner has said he wants the majority of republican members of the house to vote for whatever deal happens. that's a key factor. they have to agree to something that president obama also agrees to. that's a big gap. basically he's -- i don't know that there's 120 house republican votes for that yet. plan b was voted on, a -- house republicans wouldn't approve of that, either. the how is like a big block here on any kind of permanent deal. >>> i want to bring in debbie wasserman schultz, florida democrat and head of the dnc. congresswoman, when you look at what's happening today, you know, this meeting that's going to be happening at 3:00 p.m., what's going to be talked about there, what do you think? >> look, as long as the leaders are talking, there is still time for us to hammer out a deand prevent us from going over the fiscal cliff. what will be talked about today is what do the outlines and parameters of a possible deal look like that can be agreed to by a majority of democrats and repu
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i feel sorry for john boehner. the reality is he's leading a house which is actually looking to not the 53% of americans that want do not want to see the yes go around the fiscal curve which is what the polls are showing but that's a national poll. the reality is, they're going back to districts where they are actually, you know, frankly, reporting to a very small percentage of the american public. and so we're not -- that's why the sonation is different in the senate and the house and that's really the problem that john boehner has. >> we are up against a very hard deadline here. i want to bring in the co-chair of the house progressive caucus. democratic congressman, keith ellis. right after this. joe doesn't know it yet, but he'll work his way up from busser to waiter to chef before opening a restaurant specializing in fish and game from the great northwest. he'll start investing early, he'll find some good people to help guide him, and he'll set money aside from his first day of work to his last, which isn't roc
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that is before the debacle with john boehner. it has been a bad week and it sounds like they are continuing to be a little delusional. host: it has been a tough week for the speaker. when you make a threat you better beable to back it up. guest: i think the only people that had a worse week was the wizards. this was a bad week for him and you can't shugger coat it at all. host: the guide to the federal budget, how big is the federal budget? how much money does the government take in? how much do we spend? how much is $167 trillion for the current debt? guest: spending this year will be $33.8 trillion. the deficit of about $1 trillion that is for fiscal 2013. that assumes that somehow the fiscal cliff doesn't happen and we don't reduce the deficit by $600 billion. national debt, about $16 billion , debt held by the public -- as a percentage it is getting up there. we've had it before. as we talked about two weeks ago it is not so much that the size of the debt it is how fast the debt is growing in comparison to the size of the eco
that is before the debacle with john boehner. it has been a bad week and it sounds like they are continuing to be a little delusional. host: it has been a tough week for the speaker. when you make a threat you better beable to back it up. guest: i think the only people that had a worse week was the wizards. this was a bad week for him and you can't shugger coat it at all. host: the guide to the federal budget, how big is the federal budget? how much money does the government take in? how much...
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john boehner as we heard from kelly o'donnell is going to have to face meeting democrats if we have a deal. then he's going to have to go back to his caucus and say re-elect me as speaker. how does he do that? >> i think it's two separate questions, richard. on the first point he's going to have a difficult time to corral votes. if the president bring his 250 plan to the house floor, you're not going to see many republicans go after it. but at the same time i think boehner is pretty safe when it comes to his speakership. if gentlemen were making noise against the speaker, there would be huge trouble. i think boehner's pretty safe because there's not a challenger. >> sam, if boehner's safe in his job, it doesn't mean to say he's at all relevant here. he's just not a factor at this point, is that right? >> i think it's right but it's because boehner expressed he couldn't get his plan throw the court. i can only imagine how angry mcconnell and his staff are because they put him in a bind. all the while mitch mcconnell's got an eye on 2014 when he's up for re-election but the house speake
john boehner as we heard from kelly o'donnell is going to have to face meeting democrats if we have a deal. then he's going to have to go back to his caucus and say re-elect me as speaker. how does he do that? >> i think it's two separate questions, richard. on the first point he's going to have a difficult time to corral votes. if the president bring his 250 plan to the house floor, you're not going to see many republicans go after it. but at the same time i think boehner is pretty safe...
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>> you to include john boehner because he is the speaker of the house, and in control of of the house, but you are making a fair point that the power of the republicans to drive the debate is being under question right now, and we are not sure how boehner can do it moving forward coming to the debt ceiling, and people will look at this experience on the fiscal cliff as an example of how john boehner may or may not drive the discussion. >> and also at the last hour, horse trading gets thrown on to the table, and then they get upset about it. so what is going to be thrown out that will get them upset? >> well, the thing that will get them piqued is that tax rates. obama is preferring a $250,000 threshold, but in the process of trying to hammer out the deal, it is raised to $400,000 or $500,0 $500,000, and the base is going to be angry about that, and that is offset by satisfaction that some of the entitlement reforms that the president had signed off on earlier such as changing the structure for social security will not likely be in this deal, and obviously, everything remains to be see
>> you to include john boehner because he is the speaker of the house, and in control of of the house, but you are making a fair point that the power of the republicans to drive the debate is being under question right now, and we are not sure how boehner can do it moving forward coming to the debt ceiling, and people will look at this experience on the fiscal cliff as an example of how john boehner may or may not drive the discussion. >> and also at the last hour, horse trading...
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it was john boehner that walked away the negotiations to try plan-b and then it was mr. boehner who failed to pass the plan. and then it was mr. boehner who said it was somebody else's problem. what he has done is a debacle for the republicans. the white house has been sitting back and letting it happen. you can call it deal and jam. >> i am optimistic that we can reach an greept that can pass both houses in time. senators reed and mcconnell are working on such an agreement as we speak. but, if an agreement is not reached in time, between reed and mcconnell, i will urge senator reed to bring to the floor a basic package for an up or down vote, one that protects the middle class from an income tax hike and extends the vital life line of unemployment insurance for two million americans looking for a job and lays the groundwork for more cooperation on deficit reduction and economic growth. guys, i can hear you over there. i believe a proposal can pass both houses bipartisan majority. as long as they let it come to a vote. if members of the house or senate want to vote no, t
it was john boehner that walked away the negotiations to try plan-b and then it was mr. boehner who failed to pass the plan. and then it was mr. boehner who said it was somebody else's problem. what he has done is a debacle for the republicans. the white house has been sitting back and letting it happen. you can call it deal and jam. >> i am optimistic that we can reach an greept that can pass both houses in time. senators reed and mcconnell are working on such an agreement as we speak....
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this isn't john boehner's problem to solve." seriously. that is what he said. he said don't blame us, we're just the speaker of the house of representatives and the minority leader of the u.s. senate and the guys who aren't allowing the president to pass his plan. but you know, we've got nothing to do with this. you know, congress comes first in the constitution. tax bills -- and this is going to fundamentally be a tax bill when we pass it. they have to begin in the house of representatives. they can't originate in the white house. the president can't write legislation or pass it himself. the founders would have been shocked to hear congressional leaders talking this way. but put that aside. mcconnell basically said to reid i can't help on this one. how did harry reid respond? this way. >> speaker boehner should call members of the house back to washington today. he shouldn't have let them go, in fact. they're not here. they are not here. john boehner seems to care more about keeping his speakership than about keeping the nation on firm financial footing. >> ri
this isn't john boehner's problem to solve." seriously. that is what he said. he said don't blame us, we're just the speaker of the house of representatives and the minority leader of the u.s. senate and the guys who aren't allowing the president to pass his plan. but you know, we've got nothing to do with this. you know, congress comes first in the constitution. tax bills -- and this is going to fundamentally be a tax bill when we pass it. they have to begin in the house of...
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. >>> coming up, the man in the middle of the republican circus, john boehner. let's figure out this guy. what is his story? he's the leader of the party that doesn't want to be led by him or anybody. they don't even -- well, it's not even actually a political party. it's a faction of tea party people telling the most republicans that they're not playing ball with them. >>> also tonight, hating hillary. that was the intriguing idea behind a politico story. when will the right learn to rekindle its hatred for hillary. everybody played the hillary card lately saying how great she was on the right so they could make obama look bad. at some point they will have to confront hillary clinton herself as the chief democrat in the country. when will they pivot? >>> if you're worried we'll soon be governed by sharia law, have no fear. republicans are keeping us safe from something that was never going to happen anyway. that and other low lights there 2012 in the "sideshow." >>> and finally my hopes for the upcoming year, especially from the president. this is "hardball," t
. >>> coming up, the man in the middle of the republican circus, john boehner. let's figure out this guy. what is his story? he's the leader of the party that doesn't want to be led by him or anybody. they don't even -- well, it's not even actually a political party. it's a faction of tea party people telling the most republicans that they're not playing ball with them. >>> also tonight, hating hillary. that was the intriguing idea behind a politico story. when will the right...
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john boehner obviously we know what happened last week. sifting through the wreckage of the plan "b." gone back to plan "a," a bill passed by the congress and extending tax cuts for everyone and sent to the senate. they don't expect the senate to take that. use that as a legislative vehicle and what's today? saturday. new year's eve is -- sorry. today's friday. too much holiday cheer. but come on. i mean -- >> he will be working the weekend. >> reporter: i am. oh my god. i don't want to get started on that. but anyway, you know, there's a lot at stake here. and, you know, it is late for this kind of thing to go on. and really, steve, i know you have been on board for this last several days, as well. most logical thing and perverse logic and chamber politics, any way to look at it is most logical thing is to go over and then come back to vote to cut taxes. but hey, you know, pride goeth before the fall. they could come up with a miraculous recovery. some sort of immaculate deal and may actually spur some conversations on the margins and may
john boehner obviously we know what happened last week. sifting through the wreckage of the plan "b." gone back to plan "a," a bill passed by the congress and extending tax cuts for everyone and sent to the senate. they don't expect the senate to take that. use that as a legislative vehicle and what's today? saturday. new year's eve is -- sorry. today's friday. too much holiday cheer. but come on. i mean -- >> he will be working the weekend. >> reporter: i am. oh...
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john boehner basically said no to all of that. and that's really not acceptable leadership. >> is there any -- should harry reid amend the bill that the house sent over at all? the fact is, harry reid has -- needs to add republican cooperation. he wants to say, look, this isn't a game. this isn't show. you know, i can bring out a bill, pass a bill. if john boehner says i'm not going to look at that, what's the point? let's make something happen here. that is what the american people are looking for. we're concerned about the fiscal and economic policies. there's a recovery period that we're experiencing to put more challenges before the economy both consumers and investors. let's create certainty. let's make sure that we pass tax cuts for -- you know, for the majority, the advanced majority, 98%. and let's get that done and move through the regular process to deal with the bigger questions. i'd like to ask you before we go, obviously, the governorship is up in 2014, is up for a race in pennsylvania. any interest in running against
john boehner basically said no to all of that. and that's really not acceptable leadership. >> is there any -- should harry reid amend the bill that the house sent over at all? the fact is, harry reid has -- needs to add republican cooperation. he wants to say, look, this isn't a game. this isn't show. you know, i can bring out a bill, pass a bill. if john boehner says i'm not going to look at that, what's the point? let's make something happen here. that is what the american people are...
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this was a legislation-specific vote and not a vote on leadership. >> and i think john boehner, who is a pretty good friend of mine, is an institutionalist. he reached the conclusion that when you are faced with an intraj gent white house, a senate that doesn't seem to be able to get anything done, we should save as many people as possible. his argument was if you have, you know, museums on fire, there's 100 paintings and you can save 99 of them, does that mean you shouldn't go in because you can't save the 100th painting. that's where we found ourselves the other night and i was happy to be supportive. the reason john boehner has trouble managing the house republican conference, isn't a lack of leadership. because we have a lot of diverge the opinions and he lets people participate which wasn't the case in the past. >> right. and he's, you know, paying the tries pryce for that at the moment because this isn't what he wanted. let me ask you now, what's the strategy in the house? are you going to let it go over the cliff? is that it? >> it's up to the senate. >> so without senate action
this was a legislation-specific vote and not a vote on leadership. >> and i think john boehner, who is a pretty good friend of mine, is an institutionalist. he reached the conclusion that when you are faced with an intraj gent white house, a senate that doesn't seem to be able to get anything done, we should save as many people as possible. his argument was if you have, you know, museums on fire, there's 100 paintings and you can save 99 of them, does that mean you shouldn't go in because...
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one was the unof unfortunate, sad, unsuccess of john boehner's plan b, in the house why he could not herd the cats. but other part i think is you get only one president at a time. the president is presiding here. somehow with this president, it's always cliffs. it's never deals. it's always up to the last moment. i think there is a deficit there of very broad-minded leadership, and there is certainly a deficit of trust between the congress and the president, and 20 republican in congress and the democrats. so plenty of fault to go around. >> o'donnell: dee dee, what about that? mitch mcconnell, who is really now at the heart of make something sort of deal today about how far he can take republicans, he says the president called him last week. it was the first time he's talked to the president since november 16. why is-- is there something the president is responsible for that he's not reached out enough to republicans and established that kind of trust that there has been lacking? >> look, i would have liked to have seen the president do more reaching out during the entirety of his f
one was the unof unfortunate, sad, unsuccess of john boehner's plan b, in the house why he could not herd the cats. but other part i think is you get only one president at a time. the president is presiding here. somehow with this president, it's always cliffs. it's never deals. it's always up to the last moment. i think there is a deficit there of very broad-minded leadership, and there is certainly a deficit of trust between the congress and the president, and 20 republican in congress and...
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caller: what if nancy pelosi and john boehner got it together, and nancy pelosi told john boehner that if he could bring votes for his speakership, and they could maybe together isolate the tea party section of his group and then kind of take away the radical left of her group and bring the moderates together, support him for speakership? now, we would not get everything that i want, but also the republicans would not get everything they wanted, and by the time elections came up, they would see there is a lot of progress made, and maybe they could not run primary on those guys that are decided to go to the middle with nancy pelosi and that are together. host: thanks for the call. guest: don, you are suggesting that john boehner would be elected basically as a democratic speaker. it is not likely they would give him the votes. it is far more likely, quite honestly, that they would like to see some continued disruption in, let's say, in the force in the republican side, and john boehner would be a much weakened speaker, where he would be deposed, and they would have to find someone else.
caller: what if nancy pelosi and john boehner got it together, and nancy pelosi told john boehner that if he could bring votes for his speakership, and they could maybe together isolate the tea party section of his group and then kind of take away the radical left of her group and bring the moderates together, support him for speakership? now, we would not get everything that i want, but also the republicans would not get everything they wanted, and by the time elections came up, they would see...
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meaning as of right now, john boehner is sticking by the hastert rule. that's very significant because he feels that maybe they get something large scale if they can get a lot of republicans or this is just all for show to show the american people they're still there to the end. >> hold on. 6:30 on sunday? i mean, as harry reid pointed out, that's 48 hours. i mean, in terms of the optics and as you said, it's conference calls and no real details coming from the house republicans on what it is they would accept as harry reid was pointing out. 6:30 on sunday feels like not a real sense of urgency. >> no. it's this idea that they should be around here waiting for something to occur, but the urgency has not really been there to be honest with you either side the last few days. now you're starting to see it from the senate and harry reid. but for the house republicans it's get your ball gown and tuxedo on monday on capitol hill and be ready to stay there all night. this is so fascinating, karen, because the new congress comes in january 3rd. eric cantor said
meaning as of right now, john boehner is sticking by the hastert rule. that's very significant because he feels that maybe they get something large scale if they can get a lot of republicans or this is just all for show to show the american people they're still there to the end. >> hold on. 6:30 on sunday? i mean, as harry reid pointed out, that's 48 hours. i mean, in terms of the optics and as you said, it's conference calls and no real details coming from the house republicans on what...
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essentially what john boehner is saying, you go first, harry reid. harry reid is trying to jam mitch mcconnell into allowing this vote to go forward without the 60-vote threshold, something that's necessary for virtually every vote here in the senate and mitch mcconnell says it's time for president obama to lead. the threshold question is, can something pass the house of representatives? can john boehner put something on the floor that needs the majority of democrat support that will not get republican support and none to speak of that would allow taxes to go up for people making more than $250,000 or 400,000 as was in the president's last offer and the answer to that question remains very, very unlikely. so we are where we are. this ain't schoolhouse rock, that's for sure. it's not like the house passes a bill, the senate passes a bill. this is a stand yau and the looks like the ultimate version of white house gridlock. >> right. and you mentioned the threshold. we have senator murkily on later today to talk about how crucial the filibuster is. i wa
essentially what john boehner is saying, you go first, harry reid. harry reid is trying to jam mitch mcconnell into allowing this vote to go forward without the 60-vote threshold, something that's necessary for virtually every vote here in the senate and mitch mcconnell says it's time for president obama to lead. the threshold question is, can something pass the house of representatives? can john boehner put something on the floor that needs the majority of democrat support that will not get...
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not john boehner. john boehner's allowed himself to be captured by the fellows. he is above and beyond that. i think he's basically trying to do the right thing but he can't get a vote out of his own party for his own legislation. who does he turn to? the president of the united states? more worried about getting a proposition from the president to turn down then what proposition is he talking about? i think the president has been more than willing to compromise and the democrats in the house of representatives. we need 30 votes to get beyond our 190 that we have now. 191 in the house and 218 to pass anything. i think if harry reid does it, fine. let him do it. we need to think of what the country needs more than what each party does and concerned about the election on january 3rd? if nothing happens, he may have to worry about the election, john boehner. what i would advise him to do, he doesn't seek my advice, let me give you some advice. be what you want to be. do what you have to do. and democrats will support you if you do that. >> do you think at this point
not john boehner. john boehner's allowed himself to be captured by the fellows. he is above and beyond that. i think he's basically trying to do the right thing but he can't get a vote out of his own party for his own legislation. who does he turn to? the president of the united states? more worried about getting a proposition from the president to turn down then what proposition is he talking about? i think the president has been more than willing to compromise and the democrats in the house...
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john boehner is in an impossible situation. i guess no one else wants the job. but that suggests that house republicans, as a force, even though they're the majority, are not a factor in these critical discussions facing the count try and the federal government at this time. again, that's a bad strategy, a bad place for them to be in, when they just won re-election. >> do you have a good sense, richard, of how many republicans or maybe democrats for that matter, aren't so worried about going over the fiscal cliff at this point? >> i don't actually buy this argument that people are happy going over the fiscal cliff. they can see how damaging it is politically. they also are looking forward to the next fight about the debt ceiling, which is going to be even more damaging. so they always say it's the other guy who wants to go over the fiscal cliff. i don't hear people going out and saying i think it's a good idea that everyone pays more taxes or there are these deep spending cuts. they're all pretending like they know everyone else's strategy. it's about coming to
john boehner is in an impossible situation. i guess no one else wants the job. but that suggests that house republicans, as a force, even though they're the majority, are not a factor in these critical discussions facing the count try and the federal government at this time. again, that's a bad strategy, a bad place for them to be in, when they just won re-election. >> do you have a good sense, richard, of how many republicans or maybe democrats for that matter, aren't so worried about...
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my question is what happened to those talks between the president and john boehner. at one point they were 400 million apart and it was one whole heck of a lot of money and what happened? i think what happened is that the president decided that he was going to up the number from 800 to $1.2 trillion worth of revenue that he wanted. >> that took speaker boehner to the point where he didn't think they would go through the house and things began to fall apart at that point and they ended up going with this commission and i think it was frustrating to both men. my sense is they know the speaker was trying to get there and my sense from talking to the speaker's staff that the president wanted to get there. this came up and it caused them to fall apart. >> is that how you understand it it went down? >> i'm not sure and i'm not sure it will end at some time. they didn't reach agreement and mitch mcconnell had arrived in the senate and cook up a deal which would put this out for 18 months, once again, mitch mcconnell has to ride to the rescue. it's a very interesting situati
my question is what happened to those talks between the president and john boehner. at one point they were 400 million apart and it was one whole heck of a lot of money and what happened? i think what happened is that the president decided that he was going to up the number from 800 to $1.2 trillion worth of revenue that he wanted. >> that took speaker boehner to the point where he didn't think they would go through the house and things began to fall apart at that point and they ended up...
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john boehner couldn't even pass his plan in the house. that was something that was worked up by him and eric cantor and others. so the real test here and i think challenge the president and john boehner sitting down again over the next three or four days. i think we have a few more days. we go over the cliff on the first but the new congress isn't sworn in until january 3rd. if they can work out, maybe just a small deal now. maybe down payments on cuts. maybe it is protecting, certainly protecting tax cuts for the middle class and small businesses and doing, you know, a few things to medicare, and then that gets us into next year where we can do bigger stuff like corporate tax reform and larger reforms to the tax code. jon: amos, what do you think about that proposal? >> that proposal, the whole situation is telling. we didn't have to be here. we all saw this coming for months. we knew it was coming. doug is right, house republicans did act. they acted to stop the defense cuts and stop the tax hikes. what happened since then, senate democ
john boehner couldn't even pass his plan in the house. that was something that was worked up by him and eric cantor and others. so the real test here and i think challenge the president and john boehner sitting down again over the next three or four days. i think we have a few more days. we go over the cliff on the first but the new congress isn't sworn in until january 3rd. if they can work out, maybe just a small deal now. maybe down payments on cuts. maybe it is protecting, certainly...
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then it was john boehner who planned to pass plan "b" that very same week. then it was mr. boehner who said it was up to the senate, someone else's problem. just from a pr perspective, what john boehner has done here is a debacle for the republicans. and the white house, they've just been sitting back the last week or so and letting it happen. but today, they gave us their plan going forward. you could call it deal and jam. >> i'm optimistic we may still be able to reach an agreement that could pass both houses in time. senators reid and mcconnell are working on such an agreement as we speak. but if an agreement isn't reached in time, between senator reid and senator mcconnell, than i will urge senator reid to bring to the floor a basic package for an up or down vote, one that protects the middle class from an income tax hike, extends the vital lifeline of unemployment insurance to 2 million american looking for a job, and lays the groundwork for future cooperation on more economic growth and deficit reduction. you guys, i can hear you over there. i believe such a proposal
then it was john boehner who planned to pass plan "b" that very same week. then it was mr. boehner who said it was up to the senate, someone else's problem. just from a pr perspective, what john boehner has done here is a debacle for the republicans. and the white house, they've just been sitting back the last week or so and letting it happen. but today, they gave us their plan going forward. you could call it deal and jam. >> i'm optimistic we may still be able to reach an...
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>> well, you know what, richard, i think this could be john boehner learning the lesson of not to put out any specifics he can't deliver on. we were just talking about that before. he's been burned before by sort of laying out the contours of what he's working out with the president only to have his caucus slap him down and tell him no. so i think the problem is, as well, he's already said he wants the senate to go first, which a little thing called the constitution case the house has to originate spending and tax bills. most 6 this should be on boehner's shoulder. his chamber is where tax and spending bills are supposed to emerge. maybe it's because they are working out details and boehner doesn't want to get burned again. >> leigh gallagher from "fortune" magazine, thanks for sticking around, by the way. >> sure. >> harry reid also said he's had his confidence, this is a quote, he's had his confidence destroyed on other occasions so i hope it's not on this occasion, too. a lot of people have had their hopes dashed here, the markets we were just talking about. obviously, people who a
>> well, you know what, richard, i think this could be john boehner learning the lesson of not to put out any specifics he can't deliver on. we were just talking about that before. he's been burned before by sort of laying out the contours of what he's working out with the president only to have his caucus slap him down and tell him no. so i think the problem is, as well, he's already said he wants the senate to go first, which a little thing called the constitution case the house has to...
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speaker john boehner calls the house back into session for sunday night. that stokes investor hopes for a fiscal cliff deal and this coming just a few hours after harry reid's comments sent the dow into a tailspin. we have complete coverage in this developing story which is happening tonight as we speak. also, as supplies from the obama team, ep achieve lisa jackson stepping down. can the coal companies finally breathe a sigh of relief? guess what happened in britain when the uk banned handguns. the surprising result that could change the gun control debate. "the kudlow report" start ises right now. >>> the big news tonight, still the developments in washington on the fiscal cliff, eamon javers joins us with the details. >> good evening, meshel. capitol hill sources tell cnbc that congressional leaders are planning to go to the white house tomorrow to meet with president barack obama and it is not entirely clear at this point when that meeting will take place and details are still being hammered out and we saw today a blistering series of rhetorical jabs f
speaker john boehner calls the house back into session for sunday night. that stokes investor hopes for a fiscal cliff deal and this coming just a few hours after harry reid's comments sent the dow into a tailspin. we have complete coverage in this developing story which is happening tonight as we speak. also, as supplies from the obama team, ep achieve lisa jackson stepping down. can the coal companies finally breathe a sigh of relief? guess what happened in britain when the uk banned...
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john boehner's office fired back -- senator reid should talk less and legislate more. the house has already passed legislation to avoid the entire fiscal cliff. >>> the president gets set to land in washington this hour. there's new word that the president has called all four congressional leaders. reid, mcconnell, boehner and pelosi. . joining me to talk more, we have peter alexander standing by at the white house as well as nbc's mike viqueira on capitol hill. some verbal smackdown, basically flipping the lights back on and harry reid taking to the floor to eviscerate speaker boehner. >> the sad part is you often seen the floor opened that way. mitch mcconnell being later today. i'm sure we'll hear something later. to hear it two days after christmas and a matter of days before we go through the fiscal cliff, obviously not encouraging. harry reid says time is running hout. he doesn't know if they could go through the legislative hurdles. if they have the votes around here, they can legislate the sky is green and the grass is blue. that's not an issue. what harry reid
john boehner's office fired back -- senator reid should talk less and legislate more. the house has already passed legislation to avoid the entire fiscal cliff. >>> the president gets set to land in washington this hour. there's new word that the president has called all four congressional leaders. reid, mcconnell, boehner and pelosi. . joining me to talk more, we have peter alexander standing by at the white house as well as nbc's mike viqueira on capitol hill. some verbal smackdown,...
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if mcconnell and reid can hammer out a deal that's acceptable to both of them i believe that john boehner will let that deal come up for a vote in the house, and i believe that vote will pass in the house though probably with majority democrat. if that happens, we may well have a deal. >> you said a big f, though. if mcconnel and reid can hammer something out. the senate hasn't passed a budget in years, jared. tell me, how is harry reid going to come up with something by monday? >> well, as you've been stressing for most of the show, correct me, this is not a budget. this is a last-minute deal that's going to have a few components and i will count them on one hand that will have a tax threshold. 250. i wouldn't be surprised if they went to him with a higher number. u.n. extension, doc fix and the umt with the sequester and that would be it. >> jimmy p., what do you think? will we have a deal on monday and is it going to be enough? >> i think we will have a deal. one big difference now than maybe a couple of weeks, three weeks ago is a lot of republicans believe that eventually they really
if mcconnell and reid can hammer out a deal that's acceptable to both of them i believe that john boehner will let that deal come up for a vote in the house, and i believe that vote will pass in the house though probably with majority democrat. if that happens, we may well have a deal. >> you said a big f, though. if mcconnel and reid can hammer something out. the senate hasn't passed a budget in years, jared. tell me, how is harry reid going to come up with something by monday? >>...
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there were only about 50 of us in the house who said that we were not going to vote for john boehner's deal last week. all they needed was 50 democrats to vote for the deal, and it would have passed last week but, no, he spent the entire day, the entire day of the deal, on the house floor attacking everything that john boehner was going to do. when john boehner actually tried to meet them halfway and now he comes here on national tv and he says that it's the republicans -- >> a little fact checking. raul, you got to get your facts right. the budget we brought and did have an alternative budget that got an overwhelming democratic vote did not say we're only going to raise taxes on people over a million dollars. it actually supported the president's proposals so you got to check your facts. what we're asking for in the house is the same thing the republicans got in the senate. an up-or-down vote on their proposal. >> raising taxes on those making over $250,000 a year. >> that's right, but, jon, what we're saying is you don't have to agree with us, just allow a vote in the house. the repu
there were only about 50 of us in the house who said that we were not going to vote for john boehner's deal last week. all they needed was 50 democrats to vote for the deal, and it would have passed last week but, no, he spent the entire day, the entire day of the deal, on the house floor attacking everything that john boehner was going to do. when john boehner actually tried to meet them halfway and now he comes here on national tv and he says that it's the republicans -- >> a little...
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boehner was trying to get the members to vote for. i think we need to get democratic votes on the senate side and republican votes on the house side. >> the game plan is to get some sort of comprehensive tax reform next year, hearing that in the is not and house. moderates like yourself, like olimpia snowe and joe lieberman and dig lugar, and on and, is it possible with the new conditioning next year to get some sort of tax reform when it's been impossible for the last year and a half. >> i hope so. we don't control but one house, and the democrats control one house and the presidency. we can't get everything we want. i am a don't raise taxes on anybody republican. >> but you're willing to compromise on that though, right? >> i certainly would rather have something somewhat lower than anything and try to see if we can get the development come up from 250. to be able to give the amt relief and the marriage penalty, child tax credit, even state tax relief for farmers and ranchers, those are all things that affect everyone in this countr
boehner was trying to get the members to vote for. i think we need to get democratic votes on the senate side and republican votes on the house side. >> the game plan is to get some sort of comprehensive tax reform next year, hearing that in the is not and house. moderates like yourself, like olimpia snowe and joe lieberman and dig lugar, and on and, is it possible with the new conditioning next year to get some sort of tax reform when it's been impossible for the last year and a half....
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john boehner is on the verge of losing credibility with his caucus. he can't take a deal to his caucus that will pass without the help of nancy pelosi, which will pull the entire deal to the left. so what they have to do is they have to go over the cliff. we're just talking about politics, we're not talking about finances here. they have to go over the cliff. that strengthens boehner's hands because now everybody is paying a hell of a lot more taxes and people are blaming the republicans, and now boehner can go to the caucus and maybe get 200 and a few votes and then with nancy pelosi pick off a few democrats and make some kind of deal. having said that, the best thing for the country is never to come to a deal because ed rendell is right. as a former governor, we don't operate with big deficits. you can't do that and we're in trouble in this country financially. the long term and in the short term, yes, we'll have a recession. it won't be a bad one but it will be one and nobody wants a recession. in the long term i think wall street goes crazy and yo
john boehner is on the verge of losing credibility with his caucus. he can't take a deal to his caucus that will pass without the help of nancy pelosi, which will pull the entire deal to the left. so what they have to do is they have to go over the cliff. we're just talking about politics, we're not talking about finances here. they have to go over the cliff. that strengthens boehner's hands because now everybody is paying a hell of a lot more taxes and people are blaming the republicans, and...
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now, the question though, it becomes a political question in the house, because john boehner has not wanted to pass it with democratic votes. there have been, just last year, there have been instances, where a majority of republicans, but not enough to make a majority are joining with -- >> let me just interrupt you -- >> -- to make a majority. >> let me ask you this point, this is more to the philosophy of democracy here. do you see that we have an inability as congress to reach some sort of compromise? in other words, that we are watching the decay of democracy here in our inability to do anything or accomplish anything, especially when it comes to the fiscal cliff. are you worried about the future and politics? >> i'm worried, of course i'm worried, understand for the long-term good of the country, we have to meet in the sensible center, we have to do this and we haven't been able to do it. as a democrat, i have my feelings that the tea party ultraright-wing republicans are the ones resisting, making any kind of compromise, saying my way or height way. >> to lay blame here, i'm ju
now, the question though, it becomes a political question in the house, because john boehner has not wanted to pass it with democratic votes. there have been, just last year, there have been instances, where a majority of republicans, but not enough to make a majority are joining with -- >> let me just interrupt you -- >> -- to make a majority. >> let me ask you this point, this is more to the philosophy of democracy here. do you see that we have an inability as congress to...
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guest: i cannot read john boehner's mind. let's say the senate takes up something where you extend all the rates for a year but you increase the rates for people making $500,000. let's say that passes the senate. 75 votes. they sent it to the house. are republicans in the house going to be that obstinate if the senate sends that kind of signal? i do not think so. that is what a lot of us watch mitch mcconnell very closely. there are people in his caucus who early to vote for what i just said. can they get it on the floor and overcome the procedural hurdles? host: if nothing happens, what are we looking at? guest: january 3 at noon. there are so many scenarios. if the new congress convenes on the third, negotiations continue. democrats would have more strength. they have gained 7 or eight seats. i think the key if they go over the cliff will be the financial markets. if the market go into a panic and if the dow tumbles into free-fall wednesday, thursday, friday, i think we'll see something quickly. host: david lightman, thank
guest: i cannot read john boehner's mind. let's say the senate takes up something where you extend all the rates for a year but you increase the rates for people making $500,000. let's say that passes the senate. 75 votes. they sent it to the house. are republicans in the house going to be that obstinate if the senate sends that kind of signal? i do not think so. that is what a lot of us watch mitch mcconnell very closely. there are people in his caucus who early to vote for what i just said....
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the comments drew a quick response to john boehner who said republicans made every effort to reach the balanced deficit agreement that the president promised the people. we have been responsible and reasonable. the president is the one who has never been able to get to yes. we are learning that the fiscal cliff talks have hit a major setback today. joining us is oklahoma congressman tom cole. what are you hearing? are you hopeful that there is a deal today? >> i am probably the last optimist in washington. all the parties that can make a deal are in town. that is a step in the right direction. there is very serious negotiations going on now between senator mcconnell and leader reed. they have found common ground. i wouldn't be surprised that there are bumps along the way but the senate will get something done and it moves to the house. and what senate would be extraordinary important. >> until now it appeared negotiations centered around a small deal that would likely extend bush tax cuts for all but high earners and extend unemployment benefits for people set to lose them on january 2
the comments drew a quick response to john boehner who said republicans made every effort to reach the balanced deficit agreement that the president promised the people. we have been responsible and reasonable. the president is the one who has never been able to get to yes. we are learning that the fiscal cliff talks have hit a major setback today. joining us is oklahoma congressman tom cole. what are you hearing? are you hopeful that there is a deal today? >> i am probably the last...
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he has to figure out a deal that gets through the senate and doesn't make john boehner look too bad in the house and there are a lot of conservatives in the house that don't want to do any type of deal that would raise taxes on anybody even though they'll go up on the entire country the first tax hike in 20 years after monday night. >> and one would also assume that mitch mcconnell would have to back a grant, he could face a primary fight if this thing -- >> you touched on one of the great sub plots of these entire negotiations is personal things that boehner and mcconnell have in these negotiations. obviously, mcconnell doesn't want to have someone on the right come after him because he was in favor of a tax hike and john boehner's re-election as speaker of the house. and that would come across as a vote of no confidence. very embarrassing and they don't expect it happening and there's a lot at stake for mitch mcconnell and john boehner personally. great point you brought up. >> if the senate fails to come up with something, does the president have the votes? >> reporter: if harry rei
he has to figure out a deal that gets through the senate and doesn't make john boehner look too bad in the house and there are a lot of conservatives in the house that don't want to do any type of deal that would raise taxes on anybody even though they'll go up on the entire country the first tax hike in 20 years after monday night. >> and one would also assume that mitch mcconnell would have to back a grant, he could face a primary fight if this thing -- >> you touched on one of...
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republicans mitch mcconnell and john boehner. those four members of congress are expected to make the drive from the capital, which you see on the right, down pennsylvania avenue, to the white house, there on the left. and we expect them to enter through a side door on the west side of the mansion. that's the entrance right there. and they'll meet with the president. in the oval office. beginning, we're told, at 3:00 p.m., less than one hour from now. and just four days ahead of the so-called fiscal cliff. so a very big moment in the nation's capital. and to walk us through what might happen we turn to jessica yellin, a chief white house correspondent. jessica, we said up front, it is a long shot, give us a best case scenario. >> reporter: the best case scenario would be that all the leaders walk out of this meeting and say they have a deal. the two senators say they can bring it to a vote, and none of their members will filibuster it. house speaker john boehner says he will bring it to the house floor for a vote before new year'
republicans mitch mcconnell and john boehner. those four members of congress are expected to make the drive from the capital, which you see on the right, down pennsylvania avenue, to the white house, there on the left. and we expect them to enter through a side door on the west side of the mansion. that's the entrance right there. and they'll meet with the president. in the oval office. beginning, we're told, at 3:00 p.m., less than one hour from now. and just four days ahead of the so-called...
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that would essentially be john boehner falling on his sword, diving on the grenade and giving up his speakership. you know, democrats might say this would be a great act of self-sacrifice, not the kind of thing you see in washington. there isn't any indication it's going to happen. it's worth reminding people, if we go over the cliff the world doesn't end. it gets worse the more time passes into january and god fored by february, but there's a good chance they will work something out in early january. unfortunately, the flip side, if they do a band-aid solution right now, we have the debt limit fight coming up. things are still in churn. it's not like it's black and white in the next 24 hours. >> really quickly, do you think the speaker would put a bill on the floor that he knew most of his republicans would vote against? >> that's a tough call. a lot of people say his speakership is safe but that vote happens on thursday. you have seen things implode, leadership fights. it's a dangerous thing do. >> it could be blessed, though. >> right. >> they could agree in advance, his members,
that would essentially be john boehner falling on his sword, diving on the grenade and giving up his speakership. you know, democrats might say this would be a great act of self-sacrifice, not the kind of thing you see in washington. there isn't any indication it's going to happen. it's worth reminding people, if we go over the cliff the world doesn't end. it gets worse the more time passes into january and god fored by february, but there's a good chance they will work something out in early...
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footing. >> harris: a spokesman for john boehner fired back "senator reid should talk less and legislate more." and senate minority leader mcconnell saying we should have worked all this out months ago. >> and republicans aren't about to write a blank check or anything senate democrats put forward just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> harris: tonight, that is exactly where we stand. at the edge of a cliff throwing blame for how you we got here. a lot of finger pointing and no answers as i said and just days remaining until tax increases and spending cuts all kick in and we all feel the pain. mike emanuel live with the news for us tonight on capitol hill. top democrats seem to be suggesting they cannot cut a deal without republican help. >> well, harris, that is right. and so they are asking what it will take to at least get some republican support. they say time is so critical. they cannot just roll out new legislation only to have the republicans reject it. we know president obama called the top four congressional leaders last night on his way back from hawaii. tom
footing. >> harris: a spokesman for john boehner fired back "senator reid should talk less and legislate more." and senate minority leader mcconnell saying we should have worked all this out months ago. >> and republicans aren't about to write a blank check or anything senate democrats put forward just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> harris: tonight, that is exactly where we stand. at the edge of a cliff throwing blame for how you we got here....
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house speaker john boehner and his fellow republicans could no longer weather the incredibly bad optics of sitting at home while the president of the united states and the senate were in washington. president obama arrived back at the white house this morning. the president will host a meeting tomorrow afternoon with senate majority leader reid, senate minority leader mcconnell, speaker boehner, and leader pelosi at the white house. senate majority leader harry reid took to the senate floor this morning to, shall we say, let boehner have it. >> if we go over the cliff, and it looks like that's where we're headed, mr. president, the house of representatives as we speak, with four days left after today before the first of the year aren't here with the speaker having told them they'll have -- they'll give them 48 hours' notice. the american people i don't think understand the house of representatives is operating without the house of representatives. it's being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker, not allowing the vast majority of the house of representatives to get what they want.
house speaker john boehner and his fellow republicans could no longer weather the incredibly bad optics of sitting at home while the president of the united states and the senate were in washington. president obama arrived back at the white house this morning. the president will host a meeting tomorrow afternoon with senate majority leader reid, senate minority leader mcconnell, speaker boehner, and leader pelosi at the white house. senate majority leader harry reid took to the senate floor...
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some democrats think that mitch mcconnell is ready to force john boehner's hand. we know the republicans are going to lose the fight of taxes because tax rates are going to go up for every -- the only question is how many people they go up for. so if you already know what the outcome is going to be, the question is how much punishment do they want to take? it is possible that they would wait after january 1. they could say we're going to cut taxes now instead of vote to allow them to go up. gwen: let's move on. because there's one more thing we want to go to. from iran to syria to libya to egypt to israeli, palestinian standoff over gaza, the obama administration's wishes have seldom been grapted. >> we and the world have joined in condemning the brutality of the assad regime. >> no one wants to determine what happened that night in benghazi more than the president and i do. >> and this administration has either been guilty of colossal incompetence or engaged in a coverup. >> a red line should be drawn right here. before iran completes the second stage of nuclear
some democrats think that mitch mcconnell is ready to force john boehner's hand. we know the republicans are going to lose the fight of taxes because tax rates are going to go up for every -- the only question is how many people they go up for. so if you already know what the outcome is going to be, the question is how much punishment do they want to take? it is possible that they would wait after january 1. they could say we're going to cut taxes now instead of vote to allow them to go up....
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dy call john boehner the top elected democrat in the country. he's the top-elected republican in the country. jessica, thank you for that reporting. we'll be back to you in a few moments. in a few hours, in just a few hours, trading will open in some parts of the world for the final time this year. here's the problem -- they're going to be reacting to what's going on in washington. people around the globe are going to be watching what is happening in the united states with a wary eye, cnn international anchor jim clancy is with me now. jim, this is such a hyper-focused american problem and yet it's really a problem for the whole world. >> it definitely is. if mitch mcconnell is looking for a dance partner. the united states is the dance partner for the entire world. the markets hate uncertainty what they hate even more is steering abject failure square in the face. those markets are going to open up in four or five hours' time we should see some limited reaction in asia. but perhaps not yet. it's still uncertain what is going to happen here. the
dy call john boehner the top elected democrat in the country. he's the top-elected republican in the country. jessica, thank you for that reporting. we'll be back to you in a few moments. in a few hours, in just a few hours, trading will open in some parts of the world for the final time this year. here's the problem -- they're going to be reacting to what's going on in washington. people around the globe are going to be watching what is happening in the united states with a wary eye, cnn...
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will john boehner bring up a boat that as democratic support. >> catherine: where is it john boehner? to bring up a -- about a boa vote -- vote we have been talking about this and does he lost control or lost his way. maybe not? bud john boehner has practically been invisible. >> the only remark he has made is that he if he does not like the idea that would require democratic passage would be the majority. to wondered 18 members of the majority have to do anything before with 280 members of the majority have to do something but the fact of his question that, 218 -- members. of the majority. >> catherine: really quickly, michael lots of a drawl but there could be items that could be retroactive. a loss of -- things that could be retroactive. >> the question is what damage has been done to the of economy and the business decisions. the problem is that businesses are getting ready to shut down and lay off workers. that is the big problem. >> catherine: and two, michael. sliding. right here on kron 4. if you'd like to connect with michael -you can follow >>> scientists who study genetics
will john boehner bring up a boat that as democratic support. >> catherine: where is it john boehner? to bring up a -- about a boa vote -- vote we have been talking about this and does he lost control or lost his way. maybe not? bud john boehner has practically been invisible. >> the only remark he has made is that he if he does not like the idea that would require democratic passage would be the majority. to wondered 18 members of the majority have to do anything before with 280...